10:44 yes by legalising burgerry of 16 year olds. The PA is intended for vital national matters when the Lords are being obstructive, not to help out Mandy and co. The day after this went through Peter Tatchel called for it to be lowered to 14, go figure. 

let's say for example that someone is so psychologically damaged by the experience of abuse that they wish to die and are ruled to be eligible for assisted dying. 

well if you can just allow someone's life to get miserable enough then the state has created a loophole to "off" vulnerable relatives hasn't it? 

TTT - we can see your point but we don't think it will be abused as much as you do and also feel that the risk is worth it if it enables people in pain to have an early escape.

bhg 

how much abuse of it is acceptable then? you obviously agree that it will happen to some extent!

Not possible to answer that question, Untitled. I think we all agree that the benefits system is abused by some but should it be stopped? The NHS is abused by some but few would want to go to the American system. I have a Blue Badge that allows me to park near supermarket entrances; I have never abused it but some do; should we abolish it?

By introducing a subjective parameter into this they have created a loop hole for money grubbing lawyers and unscrupulous relatives to exploit. Mark my words we are on the path to general euthanasia. 

You could argue that the current law of assisting suicide is being abused by people going abroad; hopefully having our own law permitting it will allow us to control it better.

I think calling it assisted dying is a mistake - it should be "assisted suicide" where the subject is complicit in their own demise but needs help to achieve it. 

dave - I agree. I don't like the "against" brigade waving flags that imply doctors will be killers; no they wont, they will simply assist someone who wishes to take their own life in a painless and certain manner.

1049 just shows your bias!

Anyway thought you would be pleased and used this as a way of getting rid of your WSS!!

I have no particular views on the bill itself. One of the reasons for that is that I am fairly confident that it will not become law.

It is not a government bill; it is a private member's bill and many of the protocols which protect government bills are not applicable. In particular, the convention which means that the Lords do not normally block government bills does not apply. As well as that, although the government usually does what it can to see private members' bills through the Commons, it is unlikely to invoke the Parliament Act in the result of a deadlock.

I believe there will be considerable opposition in the Lords (as there was in the Commons) and it will not pass through the second chamber without considerable debate and amendments. I actually see it eventually being "timed out".

11:02 that's still a grey area but surely helping someone go abroad is assisting suicide?

11:24 well lets hope you are right judge, you have cheered me up at least! 

11:21 another moronic comment from ***.

*** was not a rude word. Fix the filter!

related...

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/How-it-Works/Question1897105.html

"...well lets hope you are right judge, you have cheered me up at least!"

One other important consideration, Tora:

Parliamentary business is divided into "sessions."  There is no fixed length of a session but they are usually of around 12 months, though this is often extended following a general election.

However, this session is already eleven months old and the likelihood is it will be terminated in the autumn. 

If the progress of a government bill is interupted by a session ending, it can be carried over to the next session. But this cannot be done for a Private Member’s bill. If it is not completed by the end of a session it is timed out.

Parliament rises for the summer recess on 22nd July, resuming on 1st September. They then turn it in again on 16th September for the "Conference season", not resuming until 13th October.

This means there are only 33 working days before the break for conferences and another 15 until the end of October. Of course it depends when the government decides the current session will end (and how quickly the bill progresses). But I believe it is very unlikely (though not impossible) that this bill will be seen to a conclusion.

It's like Brexit - if not now, it will come eventually. The public mood for it is there. 

Perhaps 'the people' should get to vote on whether they want the right to die if they wish.

It should be that if people wish to enact 'assisted dying', they should make it known in advance.

Oh Tora, I was just taking a leaf out of your book.

i really wonder why your panties are in such a twist over this?